Απευθείας ανάθεση 500 εκατ. δολαρίων

[Diego]

Με πολύ αγάπη στο Διάδοχο:
http://www.finmeccanica.com/documents/1 ... 011_EN.pdf

(σελ. 21, 57) :

«…Programme problems discovered in the Aeronautics division in connection with the order for 10 ATR 72 aircraft in ASW configuration from the Turkish Ministry of Defence. Given the design and industrial complexity involved in developping the engineering and production specifications for the conversion of the ATR to ASW configuration, the Group found it advisable to gradually withdraw from this business segment since it no longer made industrial or financial sense to accept new orders…».

Το ATR 72ASW απουσιάζει από κάθε έκθεση της εταιρίας.

ΥΓ.Για τα Ρ3 ξεκίνησε η συζήτηση, στα ΑΦΝΣ γενικά κατέληξε.

[Διάδοχος]

«…Programme problems discovered in the Aeronautics division in connection with the order for 10 ATR 72 aircraft in ASW configuration from the Turkish Ministry of Defence. Given the design and industrial complexity involved in developping the engineering and production specifications for the conversion of the ATR to ASW configuration, the Group found it advisable to gradually withdraw from this business segment since it no longer made industrial or financial sense to accept new orders…».

Το ATR 72ASW απουσιάζει από κάθε έκθεση της εταιρίας..

Ναι ρε συ, ακυρώθηκε, δεν υπάρχει το αεροσκάφος!



NOT!

Αυτό που βάζεις είναι του 2011, απο τότε έχουν αλλάξει πολλά πράγματα. Το 2013 αποφασίστηκε να αλλάξουν την πλατφόρμα, απο απο το παλαιότερο ΑΤR 72–500 στο νεότερο και ανώτερο ΑΤR 72–600, θα το βρεις κυρίως ως ΑΤR 72–600 TMPA (τα ΤΜUA είναι ναυτικής επιτήρησης)

http://www.aleniaaermacchi.it/-/first-a ... rkish-navy

http://www.aleniaaermacchi.it/-/atr-72- ... rkish-navy

Alenia Aermacchi has signed an agreement with Savunma Sanayii Müsteşarlığı (SSM), the Turkish Undersecretariat for Defence Industries to deliver two ATR 72-600 TMUA (Turkish Maritime Utility Aircraft) and six ATR 72-600 TMPA (Turkish Maritime Patrol Aircraft) to the Turkish Navy. The contract calls for strong industrial collaboration between Alenia Aermacchi and Turkish Aerospace Industry (TAI) for the duration of the project.

The agreement is an amendment to a previous deal between Alenia and the Turkish government for the delivery of 10 ATR 72-500 ASW to the Turkish Navy.

The most important change into the contract amendment is the adoption of the new -600 version of the ATR 72, the best in class of regional Turboprop. The original contract was based on the now out of production ATR 72-500.

The ATR 72TMPA is the Turkish Navy version of the ATR 72ASW (Anti-Submarine Warfare), a highly effective, middle-size, anti-submarine aircraft with competitive acquisition and operational costs. It is a special version of the ATR 72 turboprop regional aircraft made by the French-Italian ATR joint venture (Alenia Aermacchi/EADS). The ATR 72ASW is the only modern, middle-size aircraft available in the market, equipped with state-of-the-art mission sensors, and capable of carrying out maritime patrol and anti- submarine warfare tasks.

The typical missions of this version include vessel search and identification, search and rescue (SAR), drug, smuggling and piracy control, environmental control (pollution by oil and chemical substances), maritime patrol roles, economic exclusive zone patrol (fishing, off-shore platforms), and Anti-Submarine Warfare.

The ATR 72ASW is equipped with a mission system that includes:

Electro-optical sensors
Search radar
ESM sensor (Electronic Support Measures)
MAD sensor (Magnetic Anomaly Detector)
Integrated self-protection system, (Chaff & Flare Dispenser, Radar Warning, Missile Warning, Laser Warning)
Sono-buoy launcher
Anti-submarine torpedoes carried on 2 pylons at the fuselage sides

The ATR 72ASW is also equipped with new-generation communication systems and through the data-link system, that connects in real-time with the ground command and control centers and other platforms, both on air and on sea, for coordination and maximum operations’ effectiveness. Its ESM and MAD sensors are completely integrated within the mission system and with the on-board avionics that envisages the new glass cockpit configuration, typical of the latest ATR 72-600 series.

In addition, the aircraft features a fuselage door that can be opened in flight and two observer stations equipped with large bubble windows.

The ATR 72ASW is also able to be reconfigured with additional specific systems and missile armaments to carry out anti-ship missions.

On top of the eight ATR 72 TMUA and TMPA the Italian Air Force has ordered four ATR 72 with initial Maritime Patrol (MP) capabilities and all the configuration provisions for the ASW capabilities, which will be integrated later.

[Diego]

[Διάδοχος]

Greece – P-3B Aircraft Overhaul and Upgrade

PDF Version: greece_14-47.pdf

Media/Public Contact: pm-cpa@state.gov

Transmittal No: 14-47

WASHINGTON, Oct 7, 2014 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to Greece for P-3B aircraft overhaul and upgrade as well as associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $500 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale on October 6, 2014.

The Government of Greece has requested a possible sale for modification and reactivation of two (2) P-3B aircraft, and the upgrade of up to five (5) P-3B aircraft that will include structural Mid Life Upgrades (MLU), Phased Depot Maintenance (PDM), Mission Integration and Management Systems (MIMS), and new flight avionics. The MLU kits will provide service life extensions for 15,000 flight hours, spare and repair parts, repair and return, support equipment, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor logistics, engineering, and technical support services, and other related elements of logistics and program support. The estimated cost is $500 million.

This proposed sale will contribute to the foreign policy and national security of the United States by helping to improve the security of a NATO ally.

The proposed sale for overhaul and upgrade would allow the Hellenic Navy (HN) to resume operations of its P-3B aircraft for land-based maritime patrol and reconnaissance, surveillance and protection of areas of national interest. The HN will have no difficulty absorbing this equipment into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this equipment and support will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

The principal contractor will be Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Marietta, Georgia. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale.

Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Greece by U.S. Government and contractor representatives for a period of seven years for delivery, system checkout, training, and program reviews.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded.

All questions regarding this proposed Foreign Military Sale should be directed to the State Department's Bureau of Political Military Affairs, Office of Congressional and Public Affairs, pm-cpa@state.gov.

Hmm... want to bet the Greeks are planning to pull the same trick they did with the Class 214 submarines?

http://free.bbfοrum.co/posting.php?mode ... f=5&t=1268



Γελάει ο πλανήτης

[Diego]

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/nor ... ons-03106/

Περιπου 15-20 μυρια δολλαρια ανα αεροσκαφος η δομικη αναβαθμιση (16 μυρια ανα αεροσκαφος στους Νορβηγους).

[Διάδοχος]

Έχω άδικο όταν μιλάω για σκάνδαλο;

[Diego]

Ειναι μια κακη αποφαση ,στο οριο σκανδαλου.
50 μυρια πες τα ηλεκτρονικα ολα+ τα 20 για δομικη ,βγαινει 70 αθροισμα.Σε μας κοστιζει 82 περιπου το αεροσκαφος.Οι τιμες ειναι κοντα αλλα το ερωτημα παραμενει γιατι τωρα το Ρ3.Τα μονα θετικα ειναι το μικροτερο κοστος εκπαιδευσης, το χαμηλο κοστος πτησης και τα φτηνα ανταλλακτικα.
Θεωρω τα Ρ3 μια ΚΑΚΗ αποφαση (προσωπικα θα αγοραζα τα σουηδικα ή τα ποσειδων ή τα καναδεζικα) αλλα βγαινουν τωρα φημες απο το υπουργείο και λένε πως δεν θα κοστισει 500 μυρια το προγραμμα, απλα τοσα δεσμευτηκαν για το προγραμμα.

[Διάδοχος]

Το υπουργείο λέει πάλι πίπες στα πλαίσια παθέτικ ντάματζ κοντρόλ.

Οι Λόκχηντ ζήτησε 500 μύρια και η κυβέρνηση ανέβασε το κονδύλι απο τα 350 που ήταν πριν στα 500.

50 μυρια πες τα ηλεκτρονικα ολα+ τα 20 για δομικη ,βγαινει 70 αθροισμα.

Όχι βέβαια, δεν θα πεις 50, θα πεις λιγότερα. Μόνο γκλας κόκπιτ και τακτικό σύστημα βάζουμε, δεν αλλάζουμε και τους ασθητήρες.


Οι Βραζιλιάνοι με περίπου 52 μύρια ανά αεροσκάφος έβαλαν όλα αυτα:

The Brazilian Air Force (FAB) signed a 2005 contract to have EADS-CASA (Airbus Defence) modernize and upgrade 8 stored P-3A Orion long-range Sea Control planes from the USA into P-3AMs, with upgraded T56-A-14 engines; the FITS combat system; upgraded sensors that include a modern EO/IR surveillance turret, magnetic anomaly detector (MAD), an acoustic system, and electronic support measures (ESM); a new weapon management system; and a Thales flight deck that includes a modern GPS-capable navigation system and flight management system, and a new autopilot.

Εμείς με περίπου 60 μύρια ανά αεροσκάφος θα βάλουμε αυτά:

Mission Integration and Management Systems (MIMS), and new flight avionics

Δεν είναι στα όρια του σκανδάλου, είναι σκάνδαλο.

Σε λίγα χρόνια θα αναφερόμαστε σε αυτήν την συμφωνία όπως σήμερα στα άλλα σκάνδαλα των εξοπλιστικών. Οι συριζαίοι και οι καμμεναίοι θα κάνουν ότι δεν ήξεραν δεν άκουσαν.

[Freisinniger]

ναι αλλά σκέφτεστε μόνο οικονομικά, υπάρχει και το πολιτικό κομμάτι από πίσω, δηλαδή, δίνουμε το έργο σε μια αμερικανική επιχείρηση, μας βοηθάτε κάπου αλλού. Έτσι είναι δυστυχώς.

[Διάδοχος]

Αυτό που έχουμε εδώ είναι μια απευθείας ανάθεση με υπερκοστολόγηση που δεν εξυπηρετεί βέλτιστα την ανάγκες του ΠΝ. Όλο αυτό σε συνθήκες βαθιάς κρίσης όπου πετσοκόβουμε το πρόγραμμα αντιμετώπισης της ανθρωπιστικής κρίσης απο το 1,9 δις στα 250 εκατομμύρια, απο μια κυβέρνηση που διαχρονικά ούρλιαζε κατά των απευθείας αναθέσεων και των υπερκοστολογήσεων.